反網絡暴力宣言
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反網絡暴力宣言
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互聯網是自由媒介，所有網民都享有言論和思想自由，不容暴力干涉。
思想和言論自由，是香港社會的基石。網上網下，我輩都有責任好好維護這個權利。
反對一切防礙網絡自由的行為，包括：
- 粗暴壓制及禁止反對意見
- 利用軟/硬手段，甚至恐嚇，去令反對聲音消失。
本人對網絡暴力行為深表遺憾，故貼此宣言，希望網上的言論自由和人身安全，得到保障。
本星期內，本博客將不作更新，以示抗議。
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他人的宣言：
老麥 / Goethe / Sun Bin / 鎚 / 米搞 / 余若虛 / 艾力 / 篤撐 / Desertfox / 小珠 / paulymh / Bungy-Zoe / Hystericireul / 老sell遊記 / Jay / 小添 / 火鶴 / 程音語 / 怒火眼睛 / 億利 / Ebenezer / Euyak / Morca / 秋筆 / Derek / Depps / 黑人 / Karen /Dennis Wu /Jeffrey S. / 腳 / 荒木茂 / Tea Freak / 思緒不寧 / 羅安尼 / 瑪嘉烈 / 心齋 / SeaSONs / Samsara / Auto
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本篇轉自：老麥。
原宣言稍作修改，強調對於粗暴行為的反感。
本篇帶有普遍性。亦同時帶有針對性：此博客
黃君，戰爭的目標若非和平，難道就是不斷的戰爭？
補充：
(1) 此宣言的針對性，只屬本人，與其他人無關。
(2) 原因是我要毫不含糊的告訴黃君，黃君正在妨礙他人的自由。
(3) 我的針對性不在禁止黃君的意見或言論，而在明確反對黃君對於其他網絡使用者的禁制手段。
36 comments:
本篇轉自：老麥。原宣言稍作修改，強調對於粗暴行為的反感。
本篇帶有普遍性。
亦帶有針對性：此博客
黃君，戰爭的目標若非和平，難道就是不斷的戰爭？
補充：
(1) 此宣言的針對性，只屬本人，與其他人無關。
(2) 原因是我要毫不含糊的告訴黃君，黃君正在妨礙他人的自由。
(3) 我的針對性不在禁止黃君的意見或言論，而在明確反對黃君對於其他網絡使用者的禁制手段。
其實，明刀明槍大家才知。暗地種傷（隱藏留言）禁示新的科學說明，我就領教過。莫非這是香港人的性格，因此存在於每一個年齡及教育水平？……
匿名朋友，
多謝賜言。
你指的隱藏留言就是我在這裡的留言？好吧，等一會我就寫在正文吧。
匿名朋友，
貼回正文了。
對了，請不要太擡舉我，像我蠢到會在黃君的博客預先張揚我會貼文反對他的，應該不會創出什麼新的科學說明，況且，你留言中的隱藏意思，是否指自己... 不是香港人？
http://hollycowplanet.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8C175A4F3A013628!1986.entry
C.M. 兄，我是舉出自己也有另類但相同義的經歷。我指在Yahoo寫時，留言不單可加密。攻擊者可以是發掘誰人留言，然後以加密方式到留言者提出恐慌論外人論…結論: 香港人每一個年齡及教育水平
都是非常喜歡羣起攻之以致別人收口/下台文法
？
C.M. 兄，這是暗箭傷人打壓,在Yahoo 。明刀明槍打壓在blogspot是我的觀察罷。
你地點解叫佢做細柒？
匿名朋友，
講問閣下領教過幾多次去作出結論：暗地種傷是700萬香港人的性格?
Hkeric 兄你好,很高興有你的疑問，使小弟可以有機會澄清我的一些愚見。首先， I apologize if I have offended you by being lazy. Of course, I support C.M. and other related bloggers' declaration? (N.B. The first three anonymous is me, the forth is someone else).
Second, what I tried to say is that there is a social phenomenon I noticed from my past experience + the current experience. That a social phenomenon or a culture is developing is the matter of concern that I would like to draw people into attention, as I don't think this is an isolated event. (N.B., I am NOT one of the parties involved in the current issue, too)
Third, I am politically naive and neutral. The past personal experience I was talking about was related to some scientific/academic advancement, but I could see the similarities between my personal experience and the current political issue (described in this another related blogs).
Finally, by referring to a social or cultural trend during an intellectual discussion does not mean that 700 mil Hong Kong people ALL have this "personality". I am sure you don't have and neither do all the beloved bloggers in this circle. I leave message here and read the valuable passages from the listed bloggers because I respect their attitude and intellectual pursuits. (Here, it is my laziness or the convenience of of using a trend in intellectual discussion that might have caused the misunderstanding)
Please accept my apology if I have offended anyone in HK.
My amendment : 香港人每一個年齡及教育水平都【有一些人】是非常喜歡羣起攻之以致別人收口/形成下台文法的出現(不帶任何政治色彩的)，其它例子如青少年之間的網絡欺凌-因此說"每一個年齡及教育水平"都有此現象，存在一定的普遍性。（第一至三個匿名小弟上）
Hkeric 兄你好,很高興有你的疑問，使小弟可以有機會澄清我的一些愚見。首先， I apologize if I have offended you by being lazy. Of course, I support C.M. and other related bloggers' declaration. (N.B. The first three anonymous is me, the forth is someone else).
Holly:
好像 Home is where your heart is 這句話，有時我覺得挺對。
Nic Hing 2&3:
哈哈，原來你真的是那個「非」香港人。Welcome back. 記得我曾對你說過，我非常有興趣了解你當時發生了什麼事，遇到什麼人嘛？聽你這麼說得再深入點，甚至達到那個結論的時候，哈，我的心好癢，因為我相信你的結論，一定通過合理的理解！（嗯，讓我想想... 明白。）
... 在你的情況，以status quo 或利益論，未免証供太明顯，以心態/個人背景切入去理解，又未免主觀兼無助解決整體現況... 抱歉，不管用什麼方法... 先回到那結論。你的意思是文化促成嗎？
概括而言，可以是的。我的意思是，這種文化是 contagious的，在合適的環境（web），這種文化的傳播速度、扎根能力、自我變種速度（！）、產生次文化/「反」文化的能力，可以非常快。
在香港這麼confined 的環境，自然特別適合以上某些特性繁衍，並且抑壓其他特性繁衍。哈哈，詳細的不說了，我想你應該明白。
記得我跟你討論過Yahoo, google 以及 MSN的系統結構，以及你曾提到當中population的分別... 嗯，要再想想。
c hing @12/8/09 23:50：
唔明。你講緊邊個？
hkeric兄：
抱歉。由於匿名朋友沒有表明身份，所以小弟反問他「是否香港人」來了解他是否「該朋友」，以至理解他所得的「結論」。抱歉，讓你誤會了。也多謝你。
由於我早有這個觀察:香港人每一個年齡及教育水平都【有一些人】是非常喜歡羣起攻之以致別人收口/形成下台文法的出現;
因此我對周小姐被status quo 或有利益衝突的個人或職業圏子羣起打壓是特別關注，更認為此事將來的發展與香港人競爭人的機能（是否只懂羣起打壓叫人下台還是可有創新及轉變/甚至是否只接受假的偽裝而否定真實又有智慧的）是否已盪然無存的一個寒暑表。
競爭人-->競爭力
黃生呢一招, 同曾焗腸河蟹社工事件, 簡直有異曲同工之妙!
Nic Hing:
又到自爆時間。事緣小弟兩三年前，因為推展某件工作出現瓶頸，所以漸漸產生不同的念頭，希望解決自己心中一些障礙，其中一個念頭，牽涉到 power, politics, rules, 近年更扯上較宏觀的 change. 但因為讀書少，所以鮮有某類學說引導。
曾經跟阿靚仔說：Politics is an art of change. 而靚仔當時認為係（或比較接近） art of communication。
嗯，憑個人經歷，以及一些retrospection，似乎強化了自己對於 politics is an art of change 的信念，多過後者。溝通於政治重要，但政治本質，於我，是改變。
雖然我曾對你說「香港政治」怎樣怎樣，但想深一層，或許對你將來要啟動的工作，「香港政治」的dynamics 或可以提供到一些合用而又相關的線索，給你去面對這些阻力。
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群起打壓或叫人下臺，的確可以帶來轉變。
只是，帶來轉變之後所剩下來的，纔是最重要值得叫人下臺的人所考慮的。
轉變一定會出現新的東西，也會失去舊的東西。倘若所失去的東西，比新的東西價值大，那是判斷「應否」轉變的人，最值得深思的地方。
倘若倒轉，新的東西價值比失去的東西大，除了最值得深思的，仍然是：新東西真的比舊東西價值大嗎？
如可幸最終答案都是肯定的話，let's initiate change。
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（講完原則，待續）
群起打壓或叫人下臺，的確可以帶來轉變?
我認為多數是有很多偏見居多。(a)排除良好轉變maintain status quo -> attack innovation or (b)帶來激進轉變 --> overthrown management or organizational structure (especially when there is no visionary leader, but only driven by the emotion of the majority).
【群】中有很多blindspots, stereotypes, and in-group culture, led by a few "tribe-leaders" who are benefiting tremandiously from the status quo (existing rules of game). 【打壓對象】便會是innovative directions, ideas, endeavour. 【方法】（一）坐井觀天式批評=以極有限的見識來評估高幾層深幾倍的知識，與他們的template不同便是錯。比喩–有人的名稱叫有神經兩字的假科學，便可反過來話未聽聞高等學府內的專業或科學知識…好似一個在驗光師（或上海街的牙科或皮膚科）話未聽過有眼料醫生、牙醫、性病學家一樣
(二)把多面及如宇宙般複雜的事物，簡化為一般婦儒也全懂及每天實行中，如把少許訓練無限放大延申致，並不斷鼓勵他們把時間等等注入。
（三）把二說成《最重要》與他們（in-group including those 驗光師, 上海街的牙科或皮膚科 and their patients ）的自尊掛勾。
(四）然後用恐慌論、外人論、消費者論、自己有認受性等
just these points at the moment (may be continue later on, go to present tomorrow)
who are benefiting tremendously既得利益者也
I think change initiated by a group's emotion (with or without someone wielding the group emotion) is usually in the form of attack, overthrown, suppression. Back to the basic, one needs to be a good leader to instill beneficial change or innovation - good leaders lead by inspirations, vision among the misty future, and good problem-solving of the current and future issues.
文法--->文化, sorry "P
Nic Hing,
抱歉公務繁忙，無法詳細回覆。
1. 是的。單叫人下臺是可以改變的。
2. 不過我認為，單憑emotions，所能改的事情，都會很有限。而且，倘若groups' emotions 是因為charismatic leader（in terms of opinion/emotion）所引起，其轉變的結果更會變得脆弱。
3. Groups' emotion 始終會因為有leader引起或perpetuate。倘若只是一個horde，即或仿效某些動物群體的反應，某些結果是可以預期的。
4. 越靠emotion行事，失敗機會越高。但倘若成功，不是代表emotion不會引致失敗，而是背後必定靠rationality行事，只是外表上沒有顯露出來。
5. Change may be good, may be bad or a mixture of both.
6. 見招拆招。人性為先。
（待續？）
Karen：
小弟連新聞也沒機會看，發生了什麼事情？
CM hing, 某些動物群體的反應 thanks I will read this great series.
Recently want to be lazy but was drawn into a large project, hei~~
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7. There are researches looking into "RADICAL changes". Complexity theories may only give part of explanations, but they are not applicable to make good predictions and generalization.(...Forgotten why I talk about radical changes)
8. "Emotions" of groups should not be underestimated as "emotions seen" may actually be "intuition unseen".
9. Re: 周小姐. I thought HK people, particular for the young and new generations are having less and less (not losing) "sense of security". People, being identified as less competitive, rely on short-cuts. These short-cuts are "anti-knowledge" in nature. What I mean is, HK is not a knowledge society, we are being washed down to the estuary where a pirahna cannot adapt yet unconciously (and futilly) struggling to become an estuarine pirahna. Only those quick to adapt shall survive.
10. Momentum is building up for itself to morph into a reflective society. (ummm... a new post maybe)
11. Argh, I remember: I should have written my sequel to "The Rise of Institution"!
12. Institution is non-governmental, self-initiated and self-incentivized group that tends to maximize the stability of new changes. It consumes much rationality.
From Miss Chow/AB's issue and how people reason with it, "over-thrown" method via provoking an emotional mob, my personal "special experience"and many others, my analysis is that Hong Kong is definitely not a knowledge society. Overseas, somehow even a kid or so-called poorly adapting person immediately takes on board those unseen constructs once I explain and change (here? well you know); yet Hong Kong people is (a)generally what-you-see-is-what-you-get, (b) what-others-say-is-what-I-own-my-mind-once-I-retell-it, and (c) perhaps because of the language trick, Chinese people tends to draw conclusion from the literal meaning of a term or a name, e.g really believe those names with a therapist = doing curing stuff. Because these language use are developed by Westerners themselves, they intuitively know therapist =/= cure, but a person who take care of that part of body only, e.g. foot ==> foot therapist.
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A knowledge-base society is the overarching goal/outcome in my mind as well. Direct teaching won't work for sure.
Hong Kong/Chinese people is hard-working but generally believe in (a) what-you-see-is-what-you-get, unconsciously practise (b) what-others-say-is-what-I-own-in-my-mind-once-I-retell-it, (c)once-you-hear-a-strategy-mean-you-can-go-away-and-do-it-on-your-own-disregarding 14 years store of expertise knowledge (ie. treat anything that you can hear or see how to do as "stealable"), and surrender to only factory make products such as a panadol pill. (d) Perhaps because of the language trick,....
surrender only to factory-made products
唔知咩事，不過無乜性趣深究。
只系鉤起好多的年比人強暴既經驗，就系由一句勞力治根本唔值開始既惡夢。
Nic:
My observation coincides with your analysis: HK society is still a horde, even for those well-educated. (see my WyXXX analysis)
But it doesn't mean they can be manipulated politically or economically. If Institutional Theory is to explain, the major form of power HK people is conversant with is "Expert Power".
To me, the example of "panandol pill" is not a result of being "factory-made", but widespread acceptance of experts' (e.g. doctor's and research "reports") referral.
Umm... I should have spoken too much about this on the web. You now should have known why I quoted the WyXXX case for you.
晶晶：
＞＞勞力治根本唔值
身同感受。我既例子係：
「呢個根本無咩特別」
...或者
「好似對我無咩用播」。
C.M 兄,
Haha, I was attempting to explain the source of expert power of physixxxx rest upon the unique right (monopoly) to dispense drug, and since one can't manufacture it yourself, so one have to surrender, literally meaning you need the "chemical", only physixxxx can give that to you. Hence the perpetuation of physician as the only expert, to most people. People also tend to extrapolate their expertise (body or brain as an "organ controlling muscles and sensation + some unknown cognition in some unknown manner" to their non-expertise area - brain. People tend to assume, and physixxxx also talk as if they know the brain.
Although information power is there, but Chinese people tend to consider abstract information as "stealable", as if knowing the name = able to do it. Give an example, a experienced nurse who worked with me, after attending a lecture about "person-centred", she then present to other nurses about putting person as the priority ... is the great person-centred. It is not just a verbal ideas that work, it means a lot more than this... It is hard for me to explain, the expertise rest on the integration of knowledge (not just fact) + execution of the knowledge in clinical setting. i.e. Chinese thinking style tend to disregard ours as information. I mean information strategy is powerful overseas, see the copyright, but seems to be not as crucial in HK.
A more effortful strategy is to turn the information into a "pill strategy", but I have yet to sort out how - I am thinking on this track as well. Turn it into something more-tangible....
Thanks for the Wxxxx strategy should be able to get a reasonable exposure!
Another issue here is that people interpret who is expert mainly by the name,e.g. thera.. = cure (not true in reality). neu.. = know the brain (even crazier)
Last issue I realize is that too many people claim this and that, but all are crap, so people no longer trust people look similar to me. Unfortunately, demonstrate the difference will irritate the nerve of many people, that is no good for sure.
Nic,
sigh...
Nic,
其實你的意思我早就明瞭，也給你相應的提示，其他的，就需要你來體會了。
＞＞that is no good for sure
In your current position, maybe. Your advantage is: there is a "difference" and you own this difference. Don't worry. There are always people wish to see how much this difference is worth.
C.M. 兄，
Your strategy should be a crucial tool, grateful for your hint.多謝曬@@ 其他的，就需要你來體會了。一定一定。我有時喜歡看漫畫。不知你有無看過棋魂。I believe that things will fall into place.
XZ:
Thanks. Perhaps you are facing similar problems too, regarding medicalization. .... Best wishes to you too.
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